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Postby Vroomfondel » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:46 pm

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Postby 4th guy » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:50 am

Not all of the games were released though ;)
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Postby Vroomfondel » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:36 pm

True, so I suppose that does provide a convenient loop-hole. And it doesn't really bother me that I've been giving people linking people to abandonware sites for some time now. ;)



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Postby Xenon Explosion » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:56 am

Actually, downloading is NOT illegal. Copying, distributing, transcoding, reducing to machine readable form, etc. etc. is illegal.

There is nothing in the US copyright law that says you cannot ACCEPT copies of copyrighted material. That's why they don't arrest people for downloading movies, they arrest those who re-share them on file networks or peer-to-peers. You can technically download all you want as long as you have sharing/upload turned off, because then you're re-distributing the work. (Of course, there's the moral issue of depriving Fox of the extra $7 they could have made on Star Wars) There was a court case where the copyright holder argued "recieving of stolen property" but lost, since nothing was physically "stolen" by definition.

In fact, you're allowed to make as many copies as you feel necessary to protect your original investment (master disks) as long as you don't give, sell, or loan them out. I do that with DVDs where I don't want to mess up the originals (especially $100+ box sets) and play the copies, but Hollywood and its moguls are making it increasingly more difficult for me to exercise my Fair Use Rights.

Also, there's a grey area where if you own the original work, you're free to download a copy of that work for your own use. Example: If you have Twisted Sister on vinyl, you can download the MP3s of that album, since you own the original copy. Thus, if you own the 5.25" disks of a Sierra game but you don't have a floppy drive, you can legally download and use a copy of that game.

But take no advice from me, I'm not a lawyer :)

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Postby Vroomfondel » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:41 pm

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Postby 4th guy » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:39 am

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Postby 4th guy » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:30 am

If I recall correctly, the Space Quest downloads on SQN were shut down using the report system, but Spikey might be able to tell us more about that if he remembers,as unfortunetly I don't remember perfectly but Frans did mention that someone reported the website or something similar.
Of course now they monitor, because they $pent money to make the collection$. However, there are lots of warez sites and they've never been fully shut down. One site shuts down, another will replace it eventually.
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Postby Xenon Explosion » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:06 pm

We were talking about how piracy is immoral, but antipiracy is illogical. ;)

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